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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-3223</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stumbled across this post whilst looking for any news on whether IE6 support might being to be phased out across Government websites. I notice the COI browser testing guidelines indicate that any browser with a share over 2% should be tested for... http://coi.gov.uk/guidance.php?page=216 Is this really practical?

Would be interesting for an update on this article given the recent high (negative) publicity that IE6 has had - Google dropping support, and the Dept of Health recommending an upgrade to IE7 as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled across this post whilst looking for any news on whether IE6 support might being to be phased out across Government websites. I notice the COI browser testing guidelines indicate that any browser with a share over 2% should be tested for... <a href="http://coi.gov.uk/guidance.php?page=216" rel="nofollow">http://coi.gov.uk/guidance.php?page=216</a> Is this really practical?</p>
<p>Would be interesting for an update on this article given the recent high (negative) publicity that IE6 has had - Google dropping support, and the Dept of Health recommending an upgrade to IE7 as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am stuck on IE6 at work due to this being part of our standard install at my office. 

Our IT department has standard testing procedures and timelines for software role outs however these are often driven by business needs as they should be.

This makes me wonder that if more websites did drop support for IE 6 or any out of date web browser for that matter it would make the business case for upgrading software internally stronger. 

Lets face it no IT department is going to upgrade something that isn&#039;t broken without a very good reason. Maybe this is an area that needs to be addressed by the standards body laying out timelines for when support for certain tech should be dropped.

So rather then just layout HTML 5 their should be some agreed timelines along with that. So web browser&#039;s should support HTML 5 by X years and support will be dropped for HTML 4.5 by X. If developers on the whole did this it would then be factored into an organisations planning. Just an idea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am stuck on IE6 at work due to this being part of our standard install at my office. </p>
<p>Our IT department has standard testing procedures and timelines for software role outs however these are often driven by business needs as they should be.</p>
<p>This makes me wonder that if more websites did drop support for IE 6 or any out of date web browser for that matter it would make the business case for upgrading software internally stronger. </p>
<p>Lets face it no IT department is going to upgrade something that isn't broken without a very good reason. Maybe this is an area that needs to be addressed by the standards body laying out timelines for when support for certain tech should be dropped.</p>
<p>So rather then just layout HTML 5 their should be some agreed timelines along with that. So web browser's should support HTML 5 by X years and support will be dropped for HTML 4.5 by X. If developers on the whole did this it would then be factored into an organisations planning. Just an idea</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1695</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not usually a web standards crusader. But Richard hits the nail on the head here. Someone is paying for IE&#039;s lack of standards compliance. It&#039;s either the designers, spending hours battling with IE&#039;s quirks; or it&#039;s the IT systems managers, doing the upgrades. If we think we&#039;re saving ourselves the money by not upgrading, we&#039;re kidding ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not usually a web standards crusader. But Richard hits the nail on the head here. Someone is paying for IE's lack of standards compliance. It's either the designers, spending hours battling with IE's quirks; or it's the IT systems managers, doing the upgrades. If we think we're saving ourselves the money by not upgrading, we're kidding ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1692</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the main (HMG excluded) it takes minutes to upgrade from IE6 to 7 as opposed to the hours it takes developers to work around IE6 flaws.

I say write to web standards and sod MS. A long time ago developers should have stuck to standards given up on hacks and educated users that a site looked cr*p because MS weren&#039;t implementing said standards correctly.

Could you imagine an electrical industry that didn&#039;t work to standards. For a lot of industries they couldn&#039;t function without standards so why should the web be any different. Better stop before I go off on one. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the main (HMG excluded) it takes minutes to upgrade from IE6 to 7 as opposed to the hours it takes developers to work around IE6 flaws.</p>
<p>I say write to web standards and sod MS. A long time ago developers should have stuck to standards given up on hacks and educated users that a site looked cr*p because MS weren't implementing said standards correctly.</p>
<p>Could you imagine an electrical industry that didn't work to standards. For a lot of industries they couldn't function without standards so why should the web be any different. Better stop before I go off on one. <img src='http://puffbox.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1674</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Treat the web as real life; would the government be able to get away with denying access to any service, anywhere, on any grounds of accessibility? No, they certainly would not, ergo, that should translate onto the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treat the web as real life; would the government be able to get away with denying access to any service, anywhere, on any grounds of accessibility? No, they certainly would not, ergo, that should translate onto the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s any possible argument for not being able to develop and test from within virtual machines.

Standardised desktops are important for corporate management of IT, but that standard has to enable the users to do their job, otherwise its utterly redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure there's any possible argument for not being able to develop and test from within virtual machines.</p>
<p>Standardised desktops are important for corporate management of IT, but that standard has to enable the users to do their job, otherwise its utterly redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulJ</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that HMG has no real choice but to support IE6 - as someone above pointed out DH are still using IE6 - ONS are as well (we can&#039;t even get IE7 for development and testing our own websites). If a large amount of in-government users are stuck on IE6, I can&#039;t really see HMG moving away from it any time soon.

Its bad enough having zip files on your own website that you can&#039;t download, because that file type is blocked from your internet access - building sites that can&#039;t be used in house sounds like a definite problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that HMG has no real choice but to support IE6 - as someone above pointed out DH are still using IE6 - ONS are as well (we can't even get IE7 for development and testing our own websites). If a large amount of in-government users are stuck on IE6, I can't really see HMG moving away from it any time soon.</p>
<p>Its bad enough having zip files on your own website that you can't download, because that file type is blocked from your internet access - building sites that can't be used in house sounds like a definite problem.</p>
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		<title>By: To support IE6, or not to support? &#171; All About Andrew</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>To support IE6, or not to support? &#171; All About Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] August 27, 2008 in Technology   So, there&#8217;s an interesting post over at Puffbox.com, asking &#8220;Should HMG support IE6?&#8220; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] August 27, 2008 in Technology   So, there&#8217;s an interesting post over at Puffbox.com, asking &#8220;Should HMG support IE6?&#8220; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1666</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark&#039;s examples are interesting. We &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; change cars&#039; fuel so that older ones would stop working, in the shift from 4-star to unleaded. And the &#039;digital switchover&#039; comes hot on the heels of the Channel 5 Retuning; and the demise of Sky&#039;s analogue satellite service.

I&#039;m not convinced hardware counts as a &#039;consumer durable&#039; (if there still is such a thing?); but software certainly isn&#039;t. Upgrades and patches aren&#039;t just for the geeks wanting cutting-edge functionality. We demand people keep their virus protection updated, and that&#039;s before we think about Windows Update etc.

Of course, I&#039;m playing Devil&#039;s Advocate here, to some extent. But I genuinely wonder if the &#039;inclusivity at all costs&#039; principle applies when the cost implication (for the end user) is zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark's examples are interesting. We <i>did</i> change cars' fuel so that older ones would stop working, in the shift from 4-star to unleaded. And the 'digital switchover' comes hot on the heels of the Channel 5 Retuning; and the demise of Sky's analogue satellite service.</p>
<p>I'm not convinced hardware counts as a 'consumer durable' (if there still is such a thing?); but software certainly isn't. Upgrades and patches aren't just for the geeks wanting cutting-edge functionality. We demand people keep their virus protection updated, and that's before we think about Windows Update etc.</p>
<p>Of course, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, to some extent. But I genuinely wonder if the 'inclusivity at all costs' principle applies when the cost implication (for the end user) is zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://puffbox.com/2008/08/27/government-support-internet-explorer-ie6/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is seven years really that long? Sure, it&#039;s a lifetime to those of us who install new versions of software all the time, but take a step back and look at the rest of the world.

How would we feel if petrol companies changed their fuel so that cars over seven years stopped working? Or if TV companies required you to upgarde your TV after seven years (indeed, think how controversial the once in a lifetime digital switchover is for many people)? Of if your books self-destructed after seven years?

If you view your computer like other consumer durables - something you get and use till it wears out - there&#039;s nothing particularly unreasonable about still having IE6.

Why should you have to learn about new software versions and upgrading and worry about such thinks just to join in the internet with the geeks?

(OK, I admit - I&#039;m not fully convinced by this argument, but I think it has a lot of merit, and it is important to remember what dealing with computers is like for the bulk of the population, particuarly when we&#039;re talking about government services.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is seven years really that long? Sure, it's a lifetime to those of us who install new versions of software all the time, but take a step back and look at the rest of the world.</p>
<p>How would we feel if petrol companies changed their fuel so that cars over seven years stopped working? Or if TV companies required you to upgarde your TV after seven years (indeed, think how controversial the once in a lifetime digital switchover is for many people)? Of if your books self-destructed after seven years?</p>
<p>If you view your computer like other consumer durables - something you get and use till it wears out - there's nothing particularly unreasonable about still having IE6.</p>
<p>Why should you have to learn about new software versions and upgrading and worry about such thinks just to join in the internet with the geeks?</p>
<p>(OK, I admit - I'm not fully convinced by this argument, but I think it has a lot of merit, and it is important to remember what dealing with computers is like for the bulk of the population, particuarly when we're talking about government services.)</p>
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